{"id":4269999,"date":"2021-01-07T16:15:00","date_gmt":"2021-01-07T14:15:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.dept.global\/insight\/5-conversations-every-ceo-cto-should-have\/"},"modified":"2025-12-08T13:44:25","modified_gmt":"2025-12-08T11:44:25","slug":"5-conversations-every-ceo-cto-should-have","status":"publish","type":"article","link":"https:\/\/www.dept.global\/en-au\/insight\/5-conversations-every-ceo-cto-should-have\/","title":{"rendered":"5 conversations every CEO &#038; CTO should have"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"block-article-post-header js-block-article-post-header block-article-post-header__theme--onyxGrey\">\n\t<a\tclass=\"cta-button block-article-post-header__back-button cta-button__color--white cta-button__style--back\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dept.global\/all-insights\/\" aria-label=\"Back\" >\n\t<svg width='41' height='41' viewBox='0 0 41 41' fill='none' xmlns='http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg'><circle cx='20.5' cy='20.5' r='19.5' transform='rotate(-90 20.5 20.5)' stroke='var(--dept-button-icon-outline-color)' stroke-width='1.3' stroke-miterlimit='10' fill='none'\/><circle class='icon-backplate' cx='20.5' cy='20.5' r='19.5' transform='rotate(-90 20.5 20.5)' fill='var(--dept-button-icon-backplate-color)' fill-opacity='1'\/><path class='icon-center' d='M21.174 30 11 20.674l10.174-9.326m-9.326 9.328H30.5' stroke='var(--dept-button-icon-color)' stroke-width='1.3' stroke-miterlimit='10' fill='none'\/><\/svg>\n\t\t\t<span>\n\t\t\tBack to all articles\t\t<\/span>\n\t\n<\/a><h1\t\tclass=\"typography block-article-post-header__title typography__color--white typography__size--h1 typography__align--left\"\n\t\t\t>\n\t\t5 conversations every CEO &#038; CTO should have\t<\/h1><div\n\t\tclass=\"image-wrap block-article-post-header__image-wrap\"\n\t\tdata-align=\"center center\"\n\t\t\t>\n\n\t\t\t<picture\n\t\tclass=\"image__picture\"\n\t\t\t\t>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<img\n\t\t\t\tsrc=\"https:\/\/www.dept.global\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/ceo-cto-conversations-1800x696-1.jpeg\"\n\t\t\t\tclass=\"image block-article-post-header__image\"\n\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tloading=\"lazy\"\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\/>\n\t\t<\/picture>\n\t\n\t<\/div><div class=\"author block-article-post-header__author\" data-animation=\"slide-fade\">\n\t\t\t<img\n\t\t\tclass=\"author__portrait\"\n\t\t\tsrc=\"https:\/\/www.dept.global\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/Ashley_Streb-150x150.jpg\"\n\t\t\talt=\"Ashley Streb\"\n\t\t\/>\n\t\n\t<div class=\"author__text\">\n\t\tAshley Streb\t\t<br \/>\n\t\tChief Client Officer, DEPT\u00ae Americas\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\t<div class=\"block-article-post-header__meta\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"block-article-post-header__meta-date\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"block-article-post-header__date-description\">\n\t\t\t\t\tDate\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"block-article-post-header__published-date\">\n\t\t\t\t\t7 January 2021\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n<div class=\"block-panel-with-image-and-rich-text\">\n\t<div class=\"block-panel-with-image-and-rich-text__left block-panel-with-image-and-rich-text__left--white\">\n\t\t<div class=\"block-panel-with-image-and-rich-text__media\">\n\t\t\t<div\n\t\tclass=\"image-wrap block-panel-with-image-and-rich-text__image-wrap\"\n\t\tdata-align=\"center left\"\n\t\t\t>\n\n\t\t\t<picture\n\t\tclass=\"image__picture\"\n\t\t\t\t>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<img\n\t\t\t\tsrc=\"https:\/\/www.dept.global\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/03\/Dept-Maastricht-2-1.jpg\"\n\t\t\t\tclass=\"image block-panel-with-image-and-rich-text__image\"\n\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tloading=\"lazy\"\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\/>\n\t\t<\/picture>\n\t\n\t<\/div>\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n\n\t<div class=\"block-panel-with-image-and-rich-text__right block-panel-with-image-and-rich-text__right--white\">\n\t\t\n<div class='block-panel-with-image-and-rich-text__item'><div class='block-panel-with-image-and-rich-text__item-inner'><h3 class=\"heading heading__size--l heading__align--left block-heading__heading\">\n\t\t\tWhile CEOs have guided companies for decades, the abundance of technology has driven the need for a new executive leader: the CTO.\t<\/h3><\/div><\/div>\n\n<div class='block-panel-with-image-and-rich-text__item'><div class='block-panel-with-image-and-rich-text__item-inner'><p class=\"paragraph paragraph__size--default paragraph__align--left block-paragraph__paragraph\">As CTOs become more essential for driving the business forward, the CEO-and-CTO relationship needs to be collaborative and equitable.<br><br>Our CEO and I, as CTO, have worked in a number of\u00a0product organizations\u00a0over the years and in 2015, we switched gears and began serving product teams. Since then, we\u2019ve seen firsthand how CEO\u00a0and\u00a0CTO leadership affects the success of a product.<br><br>Based on these experiences,\u00a0here are\u00a0top scenarios where CEOs and CTOs should be on the same page. For most of these conversations, a balance between technology and business is key.<\/p><\/div><\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n<div class=\"block-title-and-content js-block-title-and-content block-title-and-content__theme--white\">\n\t<div class=\"block-title-and-content__layout\">\n\t\t<h2\t\tclass=\"typography block-title-and-content__title typography__color--onyxGrey typography__size--h2 typography__align--left\"\n\t\tdata-size-mobile=\"h2\" \t>\n\t\t<meta charset=\"utf-8\">How Does Our Technical Debt Affect Our Agility?\t<\/h2>\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"block-title-and-content__content\">\n\t\t\t\t\n<p\t\tclass=\"typography block-typography__typography typography__color--onyxGrey typography__size--regular-body typography__align--left\"\n\t\t\t>\n\t\tTechnical debt\u00a0is never a fun conversation to have. However, it becomes even less enjoyable when you realize that your product\u00a0or\u00a0engineering team has accumulated a lot of technical debt in the name of new features.<br><br>A CEO is likely to care more about creating ROI-positive product features. A CTO will want to create a bank of time devoted to technical debt. Therefore, this conversation needs to find a balance between the two so you maximize revenue and keep technical debt at appropriate levels.<br><br>There\u2019s the right time to accumulate tech debt to move quickly and there\u2019s the right time to pay that debt down (refactor). If you do only one or the other too often, you\u2019ll fail.\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\n\t<div class=\"block-title-and-content__social-links\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<a\n\t\t\t\thref=\"https:\/\/www.dept.global\/en-au\/insight\/5-conversations-every-ceo-cto-should-have\/\"\n\t\t\t\tdata-share-url=\"https:\/\/www.dept.global\/en-au\/insight\/5-conversations-every-ceo-cto-should-have\/\"\n\t\t\t\tdata-share-title=\"5 conversations every CEO &#038; CTO should have\"\n\t\t\t\tdata-share-type=\"copy\"\n\t\t\t\tclass=\"block-title-and-content__social-links-item js-social-link\"\n\t\t\t\taria-label=\"Copy page link\"\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tdata-tooltip=\"true\"\n\t\t\t\t\tdata-tooltip-text=\"Link copied to clipboard.\"\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t>\n\t\t\t\t<svg fill='none' xmlns='http: \/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg' width='22' height='22' viewBox='0 0 22 22'><path d='M6.832 15.167l8.333-8.333M9.332 6.001l2.787-2.787a4.715 4.715 0 016.666 0v0a4.715 4.715 0 010 6.667L16 12.668M5.999 9.334l-2.787 2.787a4.715 4.715 0 000 6.666v0a4.715 4.715 0 006.667 0l2.787-2.786' stroke='currentColor' stroke-width='2'\/><\/svg>\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<a\n\t\t\t\thref=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/sharer\/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dept.global%2Fen-au%2Finsight%2F5-conversations-every-ceo-cto-should-have%2F\"\n\t\t\t\tdata-share-url=\"https:\/\/www.dept.global\/en-au\/insight\/5-conversations-every-ceo-cto-should-have\/\"\n\t\t\t\tdata-share-title=\"5 conversations every CEO &#038; 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If you focus too much on keeping current customers pleased, you won\u2019t have the resources to innovate and stay competitive. However, if you ignore your clients to push the product, you risk cancellation.<br><br>A\u00a0CTO\u00a0and a\u00a0CEO must find a balance between these initiatives. Where are you spending development resources? Are your current clients satisfied? On average, how much technical debt do we have? Understand available resourcing and agree on current\u00a0versus\u00a0future product needs.<br><br>Consider a set number of hours per month to work on client requests and let customer success and sales control what occurs in those hours. This can be a win-win. 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If you let your sales folks control too much of your product direction, they\u2019ll likely close a few things in the short term, but create a Frankenstein product that nobody wants in the long term.<br><br>However, if you let your sales folks control none of your product decisions, you\u2019ll likely make a \u201cperfect\u201d product for long-term market fit, while failing to land any customers in the short term.<br><br>Every organization needs to find the middle ground that works for them and this usually starts with conversations between CEOs and CTOs.\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\n\t<div class=\"block-title-and-content__social-links\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<a\n\t\t\t\thref=\"https:\/\/www.dept.global\/en-au\/insight\/5-conversations-every-ceo-cto-should-have\/\"\n\t\t\t\tdata-share-url=\"https:\/\/www.dept.global\/en-au\/insight\/5-conversations-every-ceo-cto-should-have\/\"\n\t\t\t\tdata-share-title=\"5 conversations every CEO &#038; CTO should have\"\n\t\t\t\tdata-share-type=\"copy\"\n\t\t\t\tclass=\"block-title-and-content__social-links-item js-social-link\"\n\t\t\t\taria-label=\"Copy page link\"\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tdata-tooltip=\"true\"\n\t\t\t\t\tdata-tooltip-text=\"Link copied to clipboard.\"\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t>\n\t\t\t\t<svg fill='none' xmlns='http: \/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg' width='22' height='22' viewBox='0 0 22 22'><path d='M6.832 15.167l8.333-8.333M9.332 6.001l2.787-2.787a4.715 4.715 0 016.666 0v0a4.715 4.715 0 010 6.667L16 12.668M5.999 9.334l-2.787 2.787a4.715 4.715 0 000 6.666v0a4.715 4.715 0 006.667 0l2.787-2.786' stroke='currentColor' stroke-width='2'\/><\/svg>\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<a\n\t\t\t\thref=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/sharer\/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dept.global%2Fen-au%2Finsight%2F5-conversations-every-ceo-cto-should-have%2F\"\n\t\t\t\tdata-share-url=\"https:\/\/www.dept.global\/en-au\/insight\/5-conversations-every-ceo-cto-should-have\/\"\n\t\t\t\tdata-share-title=\"5 conversations every CEO &#038; 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CTO should have\"\n\t\t\t\tdata-share-type=\"linkedin\"\n\t\t\t\tclass=\"block-title-and-content__social-links-item js-social-link\"\n\t\t\t\taria-label=\"Share to Linkedin\"\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\ttarget=\"_blank\"\n\t\t\t\t\trel=\"noopener noreferrer\"\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t>\n\t\t\t\t<svg width='19' height='18' viewBox='0 0 19 18' fill='none' xmlns='http: \/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg'><path d='M1.15 17.3h3.6V5.8h-3.6v11.5zM.75 2.1c0 1.2 1 2.1 2.1 2.1 1.2 0 2.1-.9 2.1-2.1 0-1.2-1-2.1-2.1-2.1-1.2 0-2.1 1-2.1 2.1zM14.45 17.3h3.6v-6.2c0-3.1-.7-5.5-4.3-5.5-1.8 0-2.9.9-3.4 1.8V5.8h-3.4v11.5h3.6v-5.7c0-1.5.2-2.9 2.1-2.9 1.8 0 1.8 1.7 1.8 3v5.6z' fill='currentColor'\/><\/svg>\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n<div class=\"block-title-and-content js-block-title-and-content block-title-and-content__theme--white\">\n\t<div class=\"block-title-and-content__layout\">\n\t\t<h2\t\tclass=\"typography block-title-and-content__title typography__color--onyxGrey typography__size--h2 typography__align--left\"\n\t\tdata-size-mobile=\"h2\" \t>\n\t\t<meta charset=\"utf-8\">Are Our Product And Non-Product Teams Aligned?\t<\/h2>\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"block-title-and-content__content\">\n\t\t\t\t\n<p\t\tclass=\"typography block-typography__typography typography__color--onyxGrey typography__size--regular-body typography__align--left\"\n\t\t\t>\n\t\tIt\u2019s easy for product and technical teams to silo themselves from other departments and this behavior often starts at the top. Therefore, it\u2019s essential for CEOs and CTOs to align goals and then communicate those goals downstream.<br><br>A follow-up question might be, how much time do we account for customer requests? Knowing this feeds into customer success, which feeds into retention rates and revenue.<br><br>Only when\u00a0the\u00a0CEO and CTO are\u00a0in agreement\u00a0can you properly incentivize and hold teams accountable.\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\n\t<div class=\"block-title-and-content__social-links\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<a\n\t\t\t\thref=\"https:\/\/www.dept.global\/en-au\/insight\/5-conversations-every-ceo-cto-should-have\/\"\n\t\t\t\tdata-share-url=\"https:\/\/www.dept.global\/en-au\/insight\/5-conversations-every-ceo-cto-should-have\/\"\n\t\t\t\tdata-share-title=\"5 conversations every CEO &#038; CTO should have\"\n\t\t\t\tdata-share-type=\"copy\"\n\t\t\t\tclass=\"block-title-and-content__social-links-item js-social-link\"\n\t\t\t\taria-label=\"Copy page link\"\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tdata-tooltip=\"true\"\n\t\t\t\t\tdata-tooltip-text=\"Link copied to clipboard.\"\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t>\n\t\t\t\t<svg fill='none' xmlns='http: \/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg' width='22' height='22' viewBox='0 0 22 22'><path d='M6.832 15.167l8.333-8.333M9.332 6.001l2.787-2.787a4.715 4.715 0 016.666 0v0a4.715 4.715 0 010 6.667L16 12.668M5.999 9.334l-2.787 2.787a4.715 4.715 0 000 6.666v0a4.715 4.715 0 006.667 0l2.787-2.786' stroke='currentColor' stroke-width='2'\/><\/svg>\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<a\n\t\t\t\thref=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/sharer\/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dept.global%2Fen-au%2Finsight%2F5-conversations-every-ceo-cto-should-have%2F\"\n\t\t\t\tdata-share-url=\"https:\/\/www.dept.global\/en-au\/insight\/5-conversations-every-ceo-cto-should-have\/\"\n\t\t\t\tdata-share-title=\"5 conversations every CEO &#038; 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CTO should have\"\n\t\t\t\tdata-share-type=\"twitter\"\n\t\t\t\tclass=\"block-title-and-content__social-links-item js-social-link\"\n\t\t\t\taria-label=\"Share to Twitter\"\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\ttarget=\"_blank\"\n\t\t\t\t\trel=\"noopener noreferrer\"\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t>\n\t\t\t\t<svg width='25' height='20' viewBox='0 0 25 20' fill='none' xmlns='http: \/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg'><path d='M24.75 2.3c-.9.4-1.8.7-2.8.8 1-.6 1.8-1.6 2.2-2.7-1 .6-2 1-3.1 1.2-.9-1-2.2-1.6-3.6-1.6-2.7 0-4.9 2.2-4.9 4.9 0 .4 0 .8.1 1.1-4.2-.2-7.8-2.2-10.2-5.2-.5.8-.7 1.6-.7 2.5 0 1.7.9 3.2 2.2 4.1-.8 0-1.6-.2-2.2-.6v.1c0 2.4 1.7 4.4 3.9 4.8-.4.1-.8.2-1.3.2-.3 0-.6 0-.9-.1.6 2 2.4 3.4 4.6 3.4-1.7 1.3-3.8 2.1-6.1 2.1-.4 0-.8 0-1.2-.1 2.2 1.4 4.8 2.2 7.5 2.2 9.1 0 14-7.5 14-14v-.6c1-.7 1.8-1.6 2.5-2.5z' fill='currentColor'\/><\/svg>\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<a\n\t\t\t\thref=\"http:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/shareArticle?mini=true&#038;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dept.global%2Fen-au%2Finsight%2F5-conversations-every-ceo-cto-should-have%2F\"\n\t\t\t\tdata-share-url=\"https:\/\/www.dept.global\/en-au\/insight\/5-conversations-every-ceo-cto-should-have\/\"\n\t\t\t\tdata-share-title=\"5 conversations every CEO &#038; CTO should have\"\n\t\t\t\tdata-share-type=\"linkedin\"\n\t\t\t\tclass=\"block-title-and-content__social-links-item js-social-link\"\n\t\t\t\taria-label=\"Share to Linkedin\"\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\ttarget=\"_blank\"\n\t\t\t\t\trel=\"noopener noreferrer\"\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t>\n\t\t\t\t<svg width='19' height='18' viewBox='0 0 19 18' fill='none' xmlns='http: \/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg'><path d='M1.15 17.3h3.6V5.8h-3.6v11.5zM.75 2.1c0 1.2 1 2.1 2.1 2.1 1.2 0 2.1-.9 2.1-2.1 0-1.2-1-2.1-2.1-2.1-1.2 0-2.1 1-2.1 2.1zM14.45 17.3h3.6v-6.2c0-3.1-.7-5.5-4.3-5.5-1.8 0-2.9.9-3.4 1.8V5.8h-3.4v11.5h3.6v-5.7c0-1.5.2-2.9 2.1-2.9 1.8 0 1.8 1.7 1.8 3v5.6z' fill='currentColor'\/><\/svg>\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n<div class=\"block-title-and-content js-block-title-and-content block-title-and-content__theme--white\">\n\t<div class=\"block-title-and-content__layout\">\n\t\t<h2\t\tclass=\"typography block-title-and-content__title typography__color--onyxGrey typography__size--h2 typography__align--left\"\n\t\tdata-size-mobile=\"h2\" \t>\n\t\t<meta charset=\"utf-8\">What&#8217;s Your Work Style?\t<\/h2>\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"block-title-and-content__content\">\n\t\t\t\t\n<p\t\tclass=\"typography block-typography__typography typography__color--onyxGrey typography__size--regular-body typography__align--left\"\n\t\t\t>\n\t\tI don\u2019t like to generalize, but in most cases, CTOs and CEOs have different communication and work styles.<br><br>A CTO will likely have an engineering mindset in which details matter. A CEO will likely have a visionary mindset and want to keep moving forward.<br><br>There is space for both of these people in executive leadership. In fact, it\u2019s often mandatory to have both of these leaders, but if personalities clash without setting proper expectations, it can cause trouble. 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MEDIA&emsp;\u2022&emsp;In\u00eas Saraiva\t<\/p><h3\t\tclass=\"typography universal-item-card__title typography__color--onyxGrey typography__size--h6 typography__align--left\"\n\t\t\t>\n\t\t<span>DEPT\u00ae launches accelerator powered by Adobe GenStudio for Performance Marketing to bridge AI\u2019s execution gap<\/span>\t<\/h3><button\tclass=\"cta-button universal-item-card__btn cta-button__color--onyxGrey cta-button__style--regular has-parent-hover\" >\n\t\n\t\t\t<span>\n\t\t\tRead Article\t\t<\/span>\n\t\n<\/button>\n\t\n\t<\/a>\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n<div class=\"block-title-and-content js-block-title-and-content block-title-and-content__theme--onyxGrey\">\n\t<div class=\"block-title-and-content__layout\">\n\t\t<h2\t\tclass=\"typography block-title-and-content__title typography__color--white typography__size--h2 typography__align--left\"\n\t\tdata-size-mobile=\"h2\" \t>\n\t\t<meta charset=\"utf-8\">Conclusion\t<\/h2>\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"block-title-and-content__content\">\n\t\t\t\t\n<p\t\tclass=\"typography block-typography__typography typography__color--bodyOnBlack typography__size--regular-body typography__align--left\"\n\t\t\t>\n\t\tOverall, CEOs and CTOs need to frequently converse around technology and business goals. Balancing current and future product needs, team expectations and technical debt are some of the most important areas on which to focus.<br><br>My advice is to establish\u00a0two\u00a0types of meetings: vision meetings and implementation meetings. <br><br>During a vision meeting, CTOs need to shut off their pragmatic and skeptical side. During an implementation meeting, CEOs need to focus on immediate, concrete things. This helps create space for both personalities to contribute in an equitable way.<br><br>This article isn\u2019t to say that CTOs and CEOs need to agree on everything. That likely won\u2019t happen. 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